Meanwhile almost all my BG3 playthroughs are evil Durge

Hey, if that’s what’s fun for your group, fuckit, why not?

I could shoot someone on AskLemmy and no one would bat an eye

Exactly. This is absolutely a non issue.

Stop spamming LLM slop, OP.

I actually went to a session zero for a planned astrology-themed campaign where there were two antagonists who alternated between being controlling a PC and being the DM. The players wanted neither of them to achieve their goal, so whichever demiurge was in flesh mode would be helping the other PCs to counteract the places of the other pc/dm. We tried to figure out how to actually make it work and said “yeah nah”.

Yeah I mean if you bushwhack a player with a trap cam you really blame them for being extremely cautious in the future?

Depending on your definition; maybe, but they exist regardless of your definition.

::: spoiler spoiler Needing to call suicide prevention isn’t hilarious, though he managed to make it funny. :::

What if one player kept whispering in the other’s ear?

I think if I was going to do this I’d come up with some basic mechanics for the one not in control to act as a ghost on the other one’s shoulder. Let them use a limited selection of their abilities, see and hear what’s going on, speak exclusively to the other player, and influence the in-control one’s dice rolls a little

Surely that would be a charisma save, possession is like the only use for charisma saves!

Even worse it’s an hour of ingame time, which can be over in five seconds in the real world or almost an entire session depending on what you’re doing. I would think flipping every session would be a better chance at making this work

Relevant vid: https://youtu.be/6F74mBRjwTc

oh i did not know that. thx

I can’t remember.

As a bottom, I need a top demon.

The only idea I even have for such a campaign is one where all the BBGs are dopplegangers of the party and the players are trying to defeat me, playing as their dopplegangers. I would only be able to do what the players themselves can do. So it becomes a test of who understands the build better. The player or the DM.

Well, running PF1 put me off RPGs for nearly a decade because I hated that system so much, so probably.

The reason for your character to stay doesnt have to be something they agree with. It can be someone else’s reason. And ‘the quest to fuck off and do something else’ can be fun too. You seem to be working with a very authoritarian concept of game. Those can work sometimes, but are very limiting. less friction Not always desirable.